CRZ Type-R in the works?

[LowFlyin']

Originally Posted by Rude Awakening

You all do know...(while you're all arguing about a mythical car) that should they make a "hot" edition of the CRZ, it won't be coming here more than likely.

Last(only) Type R in USA - 9 years ago.

That means we are due.

So, maybe a CRZ-R (doubtful) or we get the 8th Gen Civic Type-R (more likely) for the last couple years of the 8th Gen model run.

Furthermore, if they do make a CRZ-R, why does it have to be a non-hybrid? K20A + IMA = WIN?

[BadassEFdriver]

Originally Posted by EM-1

I STILL THINK THE CIVIC TYPE-R IS BETTER LOOKING, EVEN THOU I STILL DON'T REALLY LIKE IT...
OLD SCHOOL ALL DAY BABY....................EM1EM1EM1EM1EM1EM1EM1EM1!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EM1's aren't oldschool

[LowFlyin']

Heh. Neither are EF's. ...but they're getting close.

[JW racing]

Originally Posted by DrZFiNeSt

Honda has forgotten about the tuner scene.

That is a false blanket statement IMO.Being a road racer in a rapidly growing Honda only series that just got backing from Honda HPD,I can vouch that they are well in support of us enthusiasts and are listening..

Some of the cars Honda is creating are not aimed at us on this forum,and some of them are,like the latest Si. I think the CRZ is a sample of things to come and we should embrace what the future is offering.Spoon's twist on the crz, shows the potential,and they always do a good job of taking what Honda has to offer and making it tasteful and a worthy interest for us enthusiasts.

[samsam5886]

Originally Posted by JW racing

That is a false blanket statement IMO.Being a road racer in a rapidly growing Honda only series that just got backing from Honda HPD,I can vouch that they are well in support of us enthusiasts and are listening..

Some of the cars Honda is creating are not aimed at us on this forum,and some of them are,like the latest Si. I think the CRZ is a sample of things to come and we should embrace what the future is offering.Spoon's twist on the crz, shows the potential,and they always do a good job of taking what Honda has to offer and making it tasteful and a worthy interest for us enthusiasts.

I've been wondering how Honda HPD works. I plan on racing my S2000 with NASA in the future. So if I blow my engine in a race, will HPD offer me a new engine at a better price, or for free? Or do they only specialize in race parts?

[JW racing]

Originally Posted by samsam5886

I've been wondering how Honda HPD works. I plan on racing my S2000 with NASA in the future. So if I blow my engine in a race, will HPD offer me a new engine at a better price, or for free? Or do they only specialize in race parts?

It is a part discount program direct from the factory. If you have a NASA license,simply apply and enjoy the benefits when you need parts. Nothing is free these days sadly,except a cold.

[Blue-Civic-Hybrid]

Who knows, maybe they will release an Si-version of the CRZ. It all depends on how well the CRZ sells.

If sales in Japan are an indication (most times they are not), then the 15,000 units a year that Honda plans to sell in North America should sell quite well.

Lets hope for an Si version that gets 200 HP with a hybrid motor.

[KILLAB17VTEC]

when they makin the type-r.all of the talk and no type-r.

[Blue-Civic-Hybrid]

Originally Posted by KILLAB17VTEC

when they makin the type-r.all of the talk and no type-r.

When Honda kills the 4-door Type-R Civic this August, they will remake the 3 door hatchback version of the Euro-R Civic for Japan.

Seems like you already hate the CRZ so try to get your hands on the new Civic-R hatchback after August 2010.

[HondaPower2010]

I have been a devout Honda fanatic from the day I got my permit. Starting with a 91 civic hb, 4 gear manual, no ac, no power windows, no power steering, and no right side mirror.

I would pay EXTRA to rebuy that same civic, then pay for this "consumer friendly" crz.

I just wanted to officially announce, IMO, Honda is on the downhill for good (it has been for some time now). Honda has always been famously known for their sheer dedication in squeezing out the most power from engines w/the least amount of displacement (s2k is the prime example). But now, they have no claim to their roots, other than the civic SI which wasn't even a real improvement over the DC5. Honda has not IMPROVED any car for sometime now, and i strongly believe the crz is actually taking a step backwards.

why would anyone who wants a hybrid, buy a two-seater? it seems more like, hybrids are bought by families and such. What family wants/needs a two-seater?

why couldn't the crz do something RADICAL, for example, a k23 turbo w/rear wheel drive. now who wouldn't buy that?

[EK4civichatch]

Originally Posted by HondaPower2010

I have been a devout Honda fanatic from the day I got my permit. Starting with a 91 civic hb, 4 gear manual, no ac, no power windows, no power steering, and no right side mirror.

I would pay EXTRA to rebuy that same civic, then pay for this "consumer friendly" crz.

I just wanted to officially announce, IMO, Honda is on the downhill for good (it has been for some time now). Honda has always been famously known for their sheer dedication in squeezing out the most power from engines w/the least amount of displacement (s2k is the prime example). But now, they have no claim to their roots, other than the civic SI which wasn't even a real improvement over the DC5. Honda has not IMPROVED any car for sometime now, and i strongly believe the crz is actually taking a step backwards.

why would anyone who wants a hybrid, buy a two-seater? it seems more like, hybrids are bought by families and such. What family wants/needs a two-seater?

why couldn't the crz do something RADICAL, for example, a k23 turbo w/rear wheel drive. now who wouldn't buy that?

The Si is improved leaps and bounds over the RSX. The chassis was specifically designed to fix all the short comings of the DC5 chassis.

[TurboBB2]

I think the point of the crz being a two seater hybrid is to show that times have changed, technology has advanced to the point where we can have a sports car that is fun to drive and doesn't completely rely on a gas motor. And its about time to it has been decades since the first electric car and other hybrid ideas were made... the only reason the idea was shot down so long ago is because money talks, and the oil companies have a lot of it.

Its already been proven, plenty of times that even a full electric car can still be insanely fast and not lack in performance whatsoever.

Personally, im glad to see a hybrid sports car. And the extra torque the electric motor gives out at such low rpms is nice to say the least, for a fwd 4cyl sports car.

Although, i do hope that they include a "sportier" version with a bigger motor. The crz with a 200hp base motor, and an electric motor for low-end torque would be sick. I think 140 with the extra added weight isn't enough. But, i suppose if the motor has potential like the old B-series then theres no problem.

Personally, im surprised Honda has not came out with a turboed model and think they should. CRZ-RT sounds pretty good for a turboed model. 140hp motor + small turbo on like 5 pounds and the electric motor for low-end torque. i think that would be a nice combination for a stock setup and leaves a ton of room for modifications and actually would encourage it. Honda could offer an upgrade turbo kit for it with a bigger turbo and an intercooler and get more money that way. So many people end up turboing their honda anyway, honda may as well just embrace it.

[Blue-Civic-Hybrid]

Originally Posted by TurboBB2

I think the point of the crz being a two seater hybrid is to show that times have changed, technology has advanced to the point where we can have a sports car that is fun to drive and doesn't completely rely on a gas motor. And its about time to it has been decades since the first electric car and other hybrid ideas were made... the only reason the idea was shot down so long ago is because money talks, and the oil companies have a lot of it.

Its already been proven, plenty of times that even a full electric car can still be insanely fast and not lack in performance whatsoever.

Personally, im glad to see a hybrid sports car. And the extra torque the electric motor gives out at such low rpms is nice to say the least, for a fwd 4cyl sports car.

Although, i do hope that they include a "sportier" version with a bigger motor. The crz with a 200hp base motor, and an electric motor for low-end torque would be sick. I think 140 with the extra added weight isn't enough. But, i suppose if the motor has potential like the old B-series then theres no problem.

Personally, im surprised Honda has not came out with a turboed model and think they should. CRZ-RT sounds pretty good for a turboed model. 140hp motor + small turbo on like 5 pounds and the electric motor for low-end torque. i think that would be a nice combination for a stock setup and leaves a ton of room for modifications and actually would encourage it. Honda could offer an upgrade turbo kit for it with a bigger turbo and an intercooler and get more money that way. So many people end up turboing their honda anyway, honda may as well just embrace it.

We can all dream, isn't Honda's slogan now called "the power of dreams"? They are asking us to dream of a 200 HP Hybrid CRZ in the near future.

[eap92]

Its not that bad on the looks side of it.
On the engine performance side 200 hp for a hybrid compared too the toyota prius is pretty good !
but lets not get too ahead of things yet
this could still be a cruel joke

[redskull1944]

I'm still waiting on some one to make their CR-Z fast out here in okinawa

[TurboBB2]

your in oki? nice

[dhong089]

Hey guys, I read most of the posts on this topic and couldn't help but to just say my opinion.

In my opinion (and in my opinion only!) I feel honda finally took the first steps into the hybrid world. But like all things, the first steps into the "unknown" is never quite smooth. There are probably a ton of problems etc. On top of that, it's obvious the tuner world will not be content with the "eco-friendly" CR-Z. But i just feel like so many of you guys are forgetting that this is quite probably the first "sporty" hybrid. Though its performance is quite a joke, we can’t forget the fact that Honda is trying to evolve. It's like the first steps towards a revolution (in which the first steps are never the prettiest). Quite simply put, only time will tell. Time will both improve and refine this hybrid until it can be racing next to its full gasoline brothers. Or... the hybrid will always be a failure..

But in my opinion, the way technology improves these days, I'd say in a few years, the hybrid can definitely improve

I mean, in a world where oil is slowly depleting, it’s not like we can use gasoline engines forever. Just speaking quite generally, you know?

So just saying, we may in fact be quite lucky that we're experiencing a new revolution of "sporty" hybrid cars. Though their performance is humiliating, this could be a chance for us to learn about them and even “tune” them (but who knows if that will get us anywhere). In a couple (or many) years, a large percentage of the cars on the road will be hybrid (or maybe even full electric??). But for now, you never know… the hybrid could be upcoming biggest rival to the full gasoline powered monsters. (though the CR-Z for now is quite a joke...)

[Steve@Spreen]

Originally Posted by slick1851

You want small and fun.....mini is he only company who is true to it's owners

Can't argue with that!! (see sig)

[rash]

Originally Posted by hushypushy

Do you understand that the CRX HF weighed 1900lbs and the CRZ weighs 2700? And do you understand the concept of inertia and how it relates to gas mileage? Put the 62hp HF engine with super tall gears in a car that weighs 2700lbs...you're not going anywhere, or getting decent mileage.

But why does it have to weigh so much more? In the CRX's heyday, things were far less limited for automakers. Safety wasn't the huge deal it is now; there were no airbags or door impact beams. Emissions weren't even that much of a priority, we were still on OBD0. Now, everything needs to not only be much safer, the emissions need to be much lower. The bottom line is, safety and emissions have always killed power and added weight--that's why everything else has progressed and MPG figures have stayed the same over the years.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Fit weighs 2400 lbs, has 117hp/106tq compared to the CRZ's 2700lbs and 122hp/128tq. They're pretty much the same quickness, and the mileage is about the same. So I guess this is the best (in terms of power to MPG ratio) that Honda is willing to give us right now. Until i-DTEC...

This should be the end of the thread, and the end to everyone's bitching/complaining/speculating.

It was easy for Honda to produce a quick, agile, reasonably comfortable car that got good gas milage and didn't cost much, BACK IN THE DAY.

Things are so different now. Emissions and safety standards have long been the death of fun cars, and the CR-Z is no exception. For people like us that have tasted the forbidden fruit of the EF, EG, EK, EP chassis, there is no going back or no replacing of that thrill. That's why these cars are so sought after. They have no replacements, and they never will.

This is the same conversation/argument muscle car fans were having in the late 70s, and it has taken America 40 years to somewhat recapture that spirit. A spirit that only took a few small features to win a world of fans; small car, big engine, loud exhaust. This spirit has been reimagined in the new Camaro, Mustang, Charger, and Challenger. These cars certainly do not replace the muscle cars from the 60s, but they're a tribute. This is the best we can expect from Honda in the future. Merely a tribute of what used to be.

Lets just hope it doesn't take them 40 years...

[Unlimited720]

^^^well said and i i agree

[dhong089]

Originally Posted by rash

This should be the end of the thread, and the end to everyone's bitching/complaining/speculating.

It was easy for Honda to produce a quick, agile, reasonably comfortable car that got good gas milage and didn't cost much, BACK IN THE DAY.

Things are so different now. Emissions and safety standards have long been the death of fun cars, and the CR-Z is no exception. For people like us that have tasted the forbidden fruit of the EF, EG, EK, EP chassis, there is no going back or no replacing of that thrill. That's why these cars are so sought after. They have no replacements, and they never will.

This is the same conversation/argument muscle car fans were having in the late 70s, and it has taken America 40 years to somewhat recapture that spirit. A spirit that only took a few small features to win a world of fans; small car, big engine, loud exhaust. This spirit has been reimagined in the new Camaro, Mustang, Charger, and Challenger. These cars certainly do not replace the muscle cars from the 60s, but they're a tribute. This is the best we can expect from Honda in the future. Merely a tribute of what used to be.

Lets just hope it doesn't take them 40 years...

:O

I'm completely enlightened and completely owned at the same time. Thanks for that great info!

[TunerN00b]

Originally Posted by rash

This should be the end of the thread, and the end to everyone's bitching/complaining/speculating.

It was easy for Honda to produce a quick, agile, reasonably comfortable car that got good gas milage and didn't cost much, BACK IN THE DAY.

Things are so different now. Emissions and safety standards have long been the death of fun cars, and the CR-Z is no exception. For people like us that have tasted the forbidden fruit of the EF, EG, EK, EP chassis, there is no going back or no replacing of that thrill. That's why these cars are so sought after. They have no replacements, and they never will.

This is the same conversation/argument muscle car fans were having in the late 70s, and it has taken America 40 years to somewhat recapture that spirit. A spirit that only took a few small features to win a world of fans; small car, big engine, loud exhaust. This spirit has been reimagined in the new Camaro, Mustang, Charger, and Challenger. These cars certainly do not replace the muscle cars from the 60s, but they're a tribute. This is the best we can expect from Honda in the future. Merely a tribute of what used to be.

Lets just hope it doesn't take them 40 years...

Except, Honda has already proven once that they can do more than a "tribute", and that they can recapture the spirit of an original with new technology.



Though, it did take them 40 years to do it...

[TurboBB2]

what a difference

[KILLAB17VTEC]

if you're into honda..just buy a used integra type r/gs-r/rsx type-s/civic si.the new car honda produce new is gonna be hybrid.

[95lscivic]

I feel like the point of the CR-Z is being missed completely by the entirety of this board. the CR-Z was never built to be FAST! There is a difference between a sports car and a fast car. Yes, there is a technical definition for sports car and no the CR-Z doesn't reflect that but in that case neither do any of the vehicles that have been referenced to in this thread i.e. ef, eg, ek, ep, etc. Additionally, the ep platform should not be considered on the same level as the ef, eg, ek, dc, as it is sub-par in most aspects comparatively speaking.

The point of this car is to create a hybrid that is not as stale as three week old popcorn to drive. I work at a Honda dealership and had the opportunity to drive both the 6mt and the CVT a few days ago and wow, what a great little car. The car feels very stable and planted, has a good amount of power, and the fuel mileage numbers posted are a joke. For the first 20 miles that I drove the car I was switching between Sport and Econ mode mashing the car while in sport and then driving conservatively while in Econ and had was already achieving 37 in town mpg. This car on the highway will be capable of around 50mpg or more in Econ mode.

Lastly, the motor that the CRZ is based around is an L15 out of a Fit! There is already plenty of aftermarket support for the Fit and God only knows what a reflash of the ecu can do for the IMA motor. This car has a lot of potential in many ways. I really think that this could be a great car for Honda.

Now, if a K20 + IMA in the CRZ came out.... Now that would be incredible. Even if they use a K20 out of the Accord with 177bhp and the combination of the instant torque of the IMA what a blast that would be. We all know that motor is capable of some serious mpg numbers as well. Let's all cross our fingers and hope for a setup like that!